Re my post on CCC
http://www.camerascutcrashes.com.au/

seems rant radio has picked up the case slowly going thru Dandy Courts

please provide more info if you have it

WAKE UP EVERY ONE

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It's like the devils manual.

The link below will show you a Gatsometer speed camera users manual and what Victoria Police don't want you to see.
Then read: Ken Lay and his recidivist Traffic Camera Office; a 'Pandora's box', in the - Worth the Ri$k?' Forum.

 
http://pepipoo.com/files/gatso_manual.pdf

I noticed in the pic on this site of the speed cam with the lens cap still on, that the brand was Tamron.
I remember years ago that Tamron was regarded by "real" photographers as one of the crappiest after-market lens available for SLR's, used only by
those who couldn't afford a decent aftermarket lens.
I wonder if the same applies here?

According to today's Age, Jeff Kennett was pinged several times on Eastlink and denies he was speeding

Reading today's Age that former premier of Victoria Jeff Kennett was pinged several times on Eastlink and denies he was speeding

Police dodge Wellington Rd, Eastlink speed camera trap

POLICE have "full confidence" in Eastlink speed cameras, despite hundreds of officers dodging fines issued by a controversial speed trap.

Motorists nabbed by the Eastlink speed camera at Wellington Rd have reacted furiously to news that most police issued infringements at the site have avoided fines.

Police have confirmed that of 223 police cars caught speeding through the Eastlink camera at Wellington Rd, just six have been booked in the year since the toll link was opened.

That equates to less than 3 per cent of police drivers caught speeding actually being booked.

It is understood that senior police officers are among those nabbed by the controversial speed trap, which has faced a deluge of complaints from disgruntled motorists.

Of those busted for speeding police took “no further action” in 134 cases, 12 faced cautions, in two cases the driver could not be identified, and 69 cases are still “pending”, according to figures released by Assistant Commissioner Ken Lay's office and reported on 3AW this morning.

Asked about the discrepancies today, spokeswoman Sharon Darcy said Victoria Police had been advised that “the cameras are working correctly”.

Police had “full confidence” in the Wellington Rd speed cameras, Ms Darcy said.

She also noted that police officers “have the same right as any person to contest an infringement notice or apply for a caution”.

She said where speeding infringement notices were issued to members on active duty, the officer was asked to explain their actions.

“If the member can prove they were on active police duty and were exceeding the speed limit as a result of their duty requirements than an exemption would be granted under Road Rules Victoria, Road Rule 305,” Ms Darcy said.

Police said they would not detail why any fines were marked “no further action”, without being forced to respond to a Freedom of Information request.

Police regulations enable officers to exceed the speed limit under certain conditions, including pursuits, but it is not yet known how many incidents fall under that category.

The figures raise new questions about the accuracy of the camera that a speeding fine consultant, Scott Cooper, says is the “most complained about in Australia”.

In the past three months, Mr Cooper has received 311 inquiries about the camera, and 92 per cent of those complaints came from motorists booked at 108km/h.

"That is just beyond the realms of possibility," Mr Cooper said.

Michele Flynn, in her 40s, is among the hundreds of disgruntled drivers who believe they have been wrongly nabbed by the Wellington Rd camera.

The freelance personal assistant’s 1991 Mitsubishi Magna was allegedly snapped six times in five weeks earlier this year as she travelled into the city for work.

In every case, she was detected just 6-8km/h over the limit.

She is vehement she was not speeding, and has only been caught speeding once before – 15 years ago.

“It just riles me that I’ve gone through my whole life without this," Ms Flynn said.

“My only other speeding fine, was when my nephew was christened in 1994. I was running late and I got caught doing 62km/h in a 60km/h zone."

She said she was not a “naughty driver” and was travelling slower than most of the traffic when she was snapped under the bridge.

“I had that many cars going past me, and I thought, ‘You idiots you’re going to get done’. I reckon I was doing 95km/h most of the time under there, because I had been told that the Wellington Rd underpass was dodgy.

“I can’t believe it. I pretty much earned what they expect me to pay out in fines.

Her immediate reaction to hearing about police officers avoiding any fines was “unprintable”.

“But my more polite response is that I’m bemused, annoyed and not surprised. I think it’s just more evidence that something shonky is going on.

“It just riles me that I’ve gone through my whole life without this."

The latest statements from police echo comments by Deputy Commissioner Lay earlier this week backing the accuracy of the cameras.

"There is absolutely nothing extraordinary with the number of infringements coming from Wellington Rd," Mr Lay told the station this week.

He said up to 80 per cent of motorists booked at the site were travelling at speeds up to 110km/h.

"A lot of this isn't intentional speeding, it is inadvertent speeding," Mr Lay said.

But Mr Lay said the speed cameras were in working order.

"They are checked every three months - they have been found to be correct," he said.

Other Herald Sun readers have also added their voice to concerns that the cameras appear dodgy in online comments today.

School principal Allan Neyland was booked in February just after moving here from Western Australia. Now he avoids the road whenever he can.

He was pinged for speeding at 108km/h, “which I was positive I was not doing, as I was very aware of the speed limit on this road having just arrived”.

Others including Gary Gravenall and Denise King say their GPS devices in their cars confirm they were not speeding, with others saying their cruise control features were also engaged at the time.

Tony Stocks of Hallam says he was booked speeding, again at 108km/h, on his motorbike. His wife was also caught in the trap, despite both being wary of the spot.

“I haven’t had a speeding ticket on my bike in 30 years of riding. Just lucky? I think not.”

Clare Gullone wrote in to say her husband was booked twice in a week, both times for travelling at 108km/h.

Mulgrave's Rhonda Smith, 43, is among drivers who now regret having paid their fines, assuming they were doing the right thing. She was caught - again at 108km/h - in August.

“Usually I praise the work police do, but it should be one rule for all,” Ms Smith said.

And Joanne Yap, 26 of Eltham North, says she was booked three times, with two tickets on the single day for allegedly driving at 112km/h and 106km/h.

She is among the growing number of people planning to file a complaint.

But Mooroolbark motorist Graeme Dunn’s experience does not bode well for those seeking compensation.

“I was booked by the same camera doing an alleged speed of 108 kmh and requested a review which was denied,” Mr Dunn wrote.

“I subsequently paid the fine, but am far from happy given the number of complaints about this camera.

Dave Blomey said he managed to have his notice for an alleged 106km/h fine from mid-July waived because of his “good record” after hearing from others about their complaints about the camera.

But it was only after he had paid a fine from October last year.

The revelations come after new questions were raised this week about the accuracy of cameras and the testing process.

Earlier this week, the Herald Sun reported photos of a speed camera testing vehicle showing is stationary but displaying 3km/h on its external speedo.

The latest developments come after revelations late last month of a huge spike in inner-city speeding fines.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/police-dodge-wellington-rd-eastlink-speed-camera-trap/story-e6frf7kx-1225783660643

hi all,
my name is Dean

 i was caught 9 times allegdly speeding within 2 or three weeks earlier this year (march i think)at north and south dandy bypass. all fines where quoted as 106 kmph or 108 kmph. i incured the ninth fine before  i even got notification of the first.
pointless at this stage to say i wasnt speeding, although i wasnt, i have had my speedo dyno checked and it is accurate,but as i stand to lose my licence, what seems important to me now is whether or not is worth fighting this in court , paying lawyer fees, potentially losing the case,  and thus also  having to pay the fines, even worse  then incur a 6 month driving ban rather than the three month ban i will get if i cop it sweet.
As a builder i have an absolute need for my licence, i have been getting 1 month extentions on all the fines since march, (they seem not bothered to do so each time i call, which is very strange to me, ) because i simply dont know what road to take. no pun intended.
is there any one in this forum (or does any one know of someone) who has taken such a case to court and what the outcome was???

It seems to me if the victorian LAW only requires these certificates for the cameras to be in order then no judge, even if he/she  was themselves to believe my inocence on the matter, would not be able to rule any  way other than to find me guilty of speeding. whether or not the certificates are dodgy or even if the cameras are clearly dodgy. but i am not a lawyer

How did you go in court Dawn??

also wondering if any one else has looked in futher to the aspect of the bridge where the cameras are mounted MOVING under the load traffic load above, hence the cameras giving inacurate readings. i dont have a great deal of engineering qualifications but i understand that structures are built with a certain amount of movement in them , as a completely solid structure would crack under load.
i know that houses are built with alowances for movent, same with a bridge i  assume. think this could definately affect camera reading, yes, no???

i am currently "hiding out in london" where i have work , i am thinking of paying the fines and staying in uk till the loss of licence period is over. bit dramatic but true.
any advice any one,  please!!

the easy option is simply do not pay it.  YOu will get a reminder giving you another 28 days.  Same fine plus about $60 costs.  Wait until the very last day and then returnthe notice telling them you want to contest the matter.

It will be about ten months before you get the summons.   Then you ignore it.  The result is the same fine plus $60 statutory costs.  Why do it? If you simply pay the fine they make a packet.  If you force them to go to court it costs them  a packet.  And it will be over a year before they get a cent of your money. If everyone did this the system would collapse.  Remember there are more than half a million infringement notices in Victoria every year. They would not be able to even issue that many summonses and they certainly wouldn't be able to handle that many court cases.  And remember also the statute of limitations.  If the summons is not issued within twelve months of the offence they are gone.  This is now happening in England where many drivers escaped the fine because the camera offices simply couldn't issue the summonses.

I was recently sent a fine for allegedly doing 85km/h in an 80km/h zone on the Nepean Highway at Karen St, Highett. I remember seeing the flash go off and looking at my speedo, and I was DEFINITELY under 80km/h. I have done quite a bit of looking on the internet for advice and it seems that there is no real way to fight this. I haven't yet paid the fine. I don't want to go to court and risk further costs but I am also loathe to pay a fine i don't believe I deserve. It seems motorists are totally at the mercy of these cameras, which thousands of us believe are inaccurate, but we seem to have no power to fight an unfair system. Any advice